The following people were present for all or part of this meeting:
Linda Bisig, Tricia Carrick, Hector Davie, Danielle Ellis, Sue Faillettaz, Art Funkhouser, Jennifer Hockley, David Low, Lynne Pamplin, Elisabeth Pfyffer, Hans Pfyffer, Christine Sager, Manuel Sager, Coretta Van Leer, Sam Van Leer, Janet Wenger.
Apologies had been received from Belle Täuber, Adorée Weibel and Barbara Winfield.
Sam opened the meeting in prayer. He then thanked everyone who had participated in the reviews for the time and effort they had invested. He particularly thanked two people who had done a lot of work and helped a great deal in this process, namely Hans and Lynne.
Lynne had produced a sheet giving an overview of the book reviews. Hans and Sam had added some information. This updated sheet had been sent by email and was available at the meeting.
Sam gave some explanations, in particular about the * on the sheet:
Those present at the meeting were offered a maximum of 1 minute to present their case in favour or against any of the books. People were asked to say why they thought a book was good far St Ursula's, and to highlight any strengths or weaknesses of the books. The presentations were to be used to help other people decide how to cast their votes. We were reminded that quality, not quantity, was important. The people who did not wish to use all their time had the opportunity to give it to others.
The following people spoke:
Janet Wenger: had reviewed "Common Praise": there were no guitar chords; lots of hymns. She felt that it doesn't fit what we are looking for.
Tricia Carrick: had reviewed "Worship Today" and was surprised to see how good it was. She recommended it for the following reasons:
She commented that she assumed we want a book that gives us modern songs that we want to sing; with guitar chords and easy settings for all instruments, so thought that the survey shows that there are 3 possibilities: Songs of Fellowship, The Source and Worship Today. She could imagine that each of these books would be accepted by the congregation at St Ursula's.
Hector Davie: ruled out "Songs of Fellowship" because it is almost the same as our existing "Songs and Hymns of Fellowship" so instead we could just buy more copies of that book. He also wondered whether it was valid to use the hymns and songs we currently want to sing as a criterion for choosing a new book - what about the ones we don't know?
Danielle Ellis: had reviewed "The Worshipping Church" and had ruled it out immediately as it has no guitar chords. She thought that "Songs of Fellowship", "The Source" and "Worship Today" were all possibilities but would like to have more time to look at them in detail.
Sue Faillettaz: had reviewed "Songs of Fellowship" and felt it contained far too many songs, most of which we will never use and some are completely inappropriate or just "rubbish". She also did not want to have to carry 3 volumes every Sunday, just to have the music of what we are singing. She would recommend "New Hymns and Worship Songs" as it fits all our needs and has 35 of the top 45. But she also supported Tricia's comments about "Worship Today".
Jennifer Hockley: had reviewed "Sing Glory" and thought it was excellent value. The review team had estimated that we would use 80°l0 of the 500 new songs it contains. It contains lots of Taizé songs and also songs from around the world, with suitable music for all occasions. Its only drawback is that it has only a small number of the songs from our top 45. She thought that "New Hymns and Worship Songs", "The Source" or "Worship Today" were also candidates.
Manuel Sager: had reviewed "Celebration Hymnal" and dismissed it because it has no guitar chords. It also has a low number from our top 45 (and does not include his own personal favourites).
Coretta Van Leer: favoured "The Source", "Sing Glory" and "Worship Today". "Worship Today" for the same reasons that Tricia had already mentioned; "The Source" (which she had reviewed) because they were using it with the Youth Group and it contains a lot of music they like: they plan to continue using it. She liked "Sing Glory" because it is the only book which contains music from around the world. She agreed with the case against "Songs of Fellowship" and pointed out that we could buy "Sing Glory" and "The Source" for the same money and get a better variety of songs.
Sam Van Leer: had reviewed nothing and everything. He thought there were four contenders to replace Songs and Hymns of Fellowship without too much overlap with AMNS namely "The Source", "Songs of Fellowship", "Worship Today" and "New Hymns and Worship Songs". He liked "Sing Glory" which is the only book with music from Africa, South America and Asia, but felt that the overlap with AMNS (even with updated words) was too large. He agreed with other speakers that buying a set of books with 1600 songs and only using 200 of them was a bit OTT. He thought that "The Source" was the best he'd seen - it has guitar chords for everything, good indexes, good coverage of our top 45 and new songs that the young people like.
Hans Pfyffer: had reviewed "New Hymns and Worship Songs" and this was his personal choice. It is a reasonable book, covering various styles including music from Taizé and Iona, chants, music for the Eucharist, for baptisms etc. It also has very good structured indexes to allow the easy planning of music for services, which is an aspect that is not always appreciated. (t has some overlap with AMNS, but still about 400 new titles.
His 2nd choice would be "Sing Glory" as it also has a good variety of music by a range of authors and, despite the significant overlap with AMNS, about 500 new, contemporary songs. His 3rd choice would be "Praise" because of the good balance of music. The book he liked least was "Songs of Fellowship" for all the reasons already given.
Lynne Pamplin: had produced a list of 139 songs that she knew and that had been well received both here and in previous churches, then looked at how they appeared in our books, with the following result:
Songs of Fellowship | 130 |
Worship Today | 116 |
The Source | 97 |
New Hymns and Worship Songs | 83 |
Sing Glory | 46 |
This is interesting as it gives us a basis of songs on which to build.
She had ruled out all books without guitar chords. She had reviewed "Praise" which would be a good contender to replace AMNS, but that is not what we are looking for so she had ruled it out (and Barbara had agreed). "Sing Glory" has too few from our top 45; "Songs of Fellowship" has the disadvantages of cost and carrying extra volumes, as already mentioned; "Warship Today" lacks same indexes, but {as already mentioned) we can get round that; "New Hymns and Worship Songs" has a wide selection, but fewer from our top 45.
Several people mentioned that this was an important decision to be made and it should not be rushed. On the other hand it would be difficult to find a time in the next few weeks for another meeting, because of holidays and other planned activities. it was agreed to hold the first vote and then consider how to proceed with the final vote.
Sam explained the voting procedure: each person can vote for up to three books. Their first choice gets 3 points, the second 2 and the third 1 point.
It was clarified that we were voting only for the books reviewed i.e. without the additional volumes of "Songs of Fellowship" and "The Source".
The result, including votes submitted by 2 people in advance of the meeting, was:
Celebration Hymnal | 0 |
Common Praise | 0 |
New Hymns and Worship Songs | 22 |
Praise! | 2 |
Sing Glory | 15 |
Songs of Fellowship | 14 |
The Source | 22 |
The Worshipping Church | 3 |
Worship Today | 28 |
It was agreed that the three books with the most votes should go forward to the next round.
There was some discussion on what to do next. Several people wanted time to look at these three books in some more detail before voting again; but it was uncertain whether we could arrange another meeting before the summer holidays. There was also discussion on whether to wait until we could obtain a copy of "The Source 2".
The following procedure was agreed:
The meeting closed at 12.30 with The Grace.
Notes written by Tricia Carrick
Distribution: to all present and those who sent apologies; Cc to council members (just for information)
TC / 01.05.04
Celebration Hymnal | Common Praise | New Hymns & Worship Songs | Praise! | Sing Glory | Songs of Fellowship | The Source | The Worshipping Church | Worship Today | |
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Principal reviewer | M Sager | J Wenger | HK Pfyffer | L Pamplin | J Hockley | S Faillettaz | C Van Leer | D Ellis | T Carrick |
Year of Publication | 1997 | 2001 | 2001 | 2000 | 1999 | 1991/1998* | 1998* | 1990 | 2000 |
Titles | |||||||||
Number of titles in this book | 818 | 628 | 440 | 976 | 698 | 1150 ('03:1600)* | 610 ('01:1100)* | 845 | 500 |
Number of hymns also in AM-NS'83 (red book) | Not given | 90% | 37 | 172* | 192* | 97 | 39 | 165 | 20* |
Number of titles in this book minus those also in AM-NS'83 | Not available | N.A. | 403 | 804 | 506* | 1053 | 571 | 680 | 480* |
Number of titles from St Ursula's Top 46 in this book* | 31 | 14 | 42 | 28 | 19 | 54 | 42 | 23 | 50 |
Indexes | |||||||||
1st line index? | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Tunes index? | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | No |
Meters index? | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | No |
Scripture index? | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes |
Topic/theme index? | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes_ |
Church Year index? | No | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | Yes | No |
Author/Composer index? | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | No* |
Guitar chords included? %? | No | No | Yes 50% | Yes 100% | Yes 50% | Yes 100% | Yes 100% | No | Yes 100% |
Number of Songs by | |||||||||
J Berthier / J Bell | 0 | 3 | 31 | 1 | 31 | 9 | 5 | 2 | N.A. |
C Bowater | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 30 | 14 | 1 | N.A. |
T Dudley-Smith | 1 | 19 | 7 | 53 | 37 | 8 | 2 | 19 | N.A. |
M Forster | 0 | 1 | 31 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | N.A. |
G Kendrick | 3 | 2 | 28 | 34 | 29 | 84 | 106 | 1 | N.A. |
C Idle | 0 | 6 | 0 | 75 | 24 | 2 | 0 | 15 | N.A. |
M Redman | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 23 | 18 | 0 | N.A. |
M Perry | 0 | 1 | 3 | 24 | 22 | 2 | 0 | 0 | N.A. |
M Sayward | 1 | 1 | 2 | 13 | 23 | 1 | 0 | 4 | N.A. |
I Watts | 13 | 28 | 4 | 44 | 14 | 7 | 2 | 18 | N.A. |
C Wesley | 16 | 39 | 5 | 53 | 17 | 14 | 7 | 20 | N.A. |
Retail Price in £ from | Amazon | Amazon | Amazon | Praise.org | Amazon | Amazon | Amazon/KM | ? | Spring H |
Words/Melody (PB=Paperback) Full Music Later Edition Words/Full Music | -/- 38.11($44.95)* | 8.99/11.99 20.99 | 3.50PB/- 15.99 | 8.00/- 30.00 | 5.50/- 3?* 16.50 6?* | 5.99*/- 24.99 x2* '03:6.99/24.99 | 3.50PB/- 21.50 '01:5.50/21.50 | ? | 5.99/- 24.99 |